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Originaly published on http://www.komix.it/index.php in 2008
Wostok. Serbian guru
Interview by Claudio Parentela
Wostok aka Mediocre alias Danilo Milošev burned all of his original drawings in 1985; he continued to draw until 1988, when he burned them again. Today he is drawing and writing like never before. He self-publishes a fanzine called Krpelj (Wood-thick) and his comics have been published in various comic zines as well as in real magazines. He tried to force his daughter to collaborate on his comics, but she rebelled and now he is collaborating with his father. When he isn't working on his comics, he makes low-fi movies featuring local weirdoes from his hometown Vršac. In collaboration with Grabowski and Sasha Mihajlowich, Wostok recently published the comic album Poposhak and Flower (with an introduction by Jim Woodring). International publishers are welcome to check it out!
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I was born and have spent my whole life in the small Vojvodina town of Vrsac, only 200 meters from the Dr. Slavoljub Bakalovic Neuropsychiatric Hospital - the largest institution of its kind in our country. It was simply impossible to grow up and live in this town without noticing all the weird characters hanging around the park, the square, the bus station, and the centre of town. We were spooked and alarmed by their presence, but our parents reassured us: these were patients from our local crazy house, but we need not fret, for the crazies wandering about the town were harmless and good natured, which is why the psychiatrists gave them leave. The really dangerous and aggressive ones were kept safely locked up in the closed wards of the local crazy house.
Years later, talking with the comic artists, musicians, writers and performers involved in our local underground art scene, I realised the tremendous effect our local loonies had had on our work in terms of bizarrenes and oddity. I guess, in a way, we accepted the existence and presence of lunacy as a fact of life, as something you just have to live with. All the same, when Stripburger contacted me to write the foreword to Madburger, I didn't feel quite comfortable with the idea. I wondered how come Katerina and Igor thought me to be the most competent to write the foreword. Do I really look look like such a crackpot?? Feeling apprehensive about the heavy burden of responsibility I had assumed, I decided to seek expert counselling and who better qualified than my wife Nataša, who has spent 14 years as a nurse in the already mentioned Dr. Slavoljub Bakalovic Neuropsychiatric Hospital.
My first question to my esteemed expert counsellor was: "How true is the myth that lunacy is an indispensable prerequisite for any sort of real creativity? Does an underground comic artist really have to be a bit crazy to be genuinely creative?" And nurse Nataša replied: "I think a lot of artists flirt with the idea of madness, not realising that madness is a great tragedy for the person actually living it! Everyone who thinks being crazy is really cool should come to one of the closed psychiatric wards where I work to see our patients - people who have basically lost everything worth anything and are left with a life filled only with great pain and fear, which they cannot rid their minds of. You can't speak of any enlightened creativity here. I think their psychological distress, things that cause them great suffering and tear them up inside, are often misinterpreted as some sort of creativity by people from the so-called normal world." To which my next question was: "So what do you think then of these normal people you've just mentioned?" And Natasa replied: "I think the worst of them! They are cynical profiteers exploiting someone else's misfortune - they make out their crazy artists to be some sort of supernaturally talented beings and heroes, only to profit from their genuine mental agony."
Together we carefully examined all the works included in the Madburger and concluded that this anthology is so bizarre, outlandish and just plain odd, it far surpasses all previous Stripburger anthologies. We believe it should be read only after careful preparation and with great concentration, for getting too involved in its content could lead to extraordinary phenomena including wild leaps of imagination, strange visions or even outright hallucinations, the diminishing and disintegration of the personality and other acute psychotic phenomena. Ha-ha, I hope that didn't put you off! Some of the works you can see here are so convincing and vivid, one gets seriously worried about the future of their authors.
But seriously, my favourite definition of mental illness or madness (to be less politically correct) is the one that claims a mad person is not sick, he is just someone who is so overwhelmed by the contents of his subconscious he cannot control it. Another definition I find worth seriously considering is the anti-psychiatric definition whereby a mad person is really the product of a dysfunctional family and society, and the so-called normal individual is not really healthy, rather he is a pathetic machine automatically conforming to and fulfilling the norms of the ruling social order. By this definition a mad person is of course not healthy, but neither is a 'normal' one.
For me working in underground comics means being able to question and confront any norms and so-called truths freely and directly without submitting myself to any authority. In my view this anthology, by encompassing such a wide range of different ideas, visual and narrative styles, represents exactly that, taking the necessary step in the direction of examining the fundamental question of what is madness and what is normality.
(c) Wostok & Lola - Warburger, 2003
Danilo Milošev - Wostok, born on September 12th 1963 - father.
Jovana Milošev, born on July 31st 1989 - daughter.
They started collaborating on summer of 1993 when Lola was 4 years old. Since then their works have been published in numerous international antologies. Lola actually beat Wostok for a prize in the Stripburger "anti-nazi"competition when she was 5 years old. But lately she doesn`t do comics anymore and she told Wostok: "thanks a lot, but I don`t want to be weird anymore!"
I N T E R V I E W
You in your words…
I WAS BORN AND HAVE SPENT MY WHOLE LIFE IN THE SMALL TOWN OF VRSAC, ONLY 200 METRES FROM THE LARGEST MENTAL HOSPITAL IN OUR COUNTRY.
Which are your primal sources of inspirations...
IT WAS SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE TO GROW UP AND LIVE IN THIS PLACE WITHOUT NOTICING ALL THE WEIRD CHARACTERS HANGING AROUND THE TOWN. PATIENTS FROM OUR LOCAL CRAZY HOUSE WERE MY TRUE PRIMAL SOURCE OF INSPIRATION!
Define your personal style... & define style...
MY STYLISTIC ANTECENDENTS ARE GERMAN EXPRESSIONIST FILM AND ESPECIALLY RUSSIAN AVANTGARDE LITERATURE COMBINED WITH VARIOUS INFLUENCES FROM POP CULTURE.
What medium do you like the best, and the least?
I THINK THAT NATURE OF ALL MEDIUMS DEPENDS EXCLUSIVELY ON THE CREATIVITY OF PEOPLE WHO USE IT.
What projects do you have lined up for the future?
I PLAN TO DO MORE COMICS, FANZINES, LOW BUDGET MOVIES AND EXPERIMENTAL MIXED-MEDIA PROJECTS TOGETHER WITH MY FRIENDS.
What artists influence or have you influenced you?
THIS QUESTION REQUIRES A LOT OF SPACE TO BE PROPERLY ANSWERED. THIS IS JUST SHORTENED LIST OF MY MAIN INFLUENCES: DEDA ZIRA, FRANZ KAFKA, DANIL HARMS, BOCHA, MILAN KOVACEVIC, NIKOLAY GOGOL, GRANT HART, BOB MOULD, PEKI, NABOR DEVOLAC, MAGNUS & BUNKER, WERNER HERZOG, F.W. MURNAU, LJUBA GAVRILOVIC-DIABOLIC, IAN CURTIS, OPRA, ZLIKOVAC, CHESTER BROWN, WINSOR MC CAY, IVAN BABIC, RED, ETC.
Where have you published your art (magazines, zines...)?
I HAVE PUBLISHED MY WORKS IN NUMEROUS PUBLICATIONS HERE AND ABROAD, FROM XEROX ZINES TO LUXURY BOOKS.
What do you use to draw (what materials...)?
MY CREATIVE ACTIVITY DURING THIS HARD YEARS IN MY COUNTRY SERBIA LEARNED ME TO USE ANYTHING THAT I HAVE AT THE MOMENT. PENCILS, MARKERS, WORN OUT BRUSHES, ANYTHING...
What do you think about artists using the Internet as a forum for sharing their work?
I THINK THAT THE INTERNET IS THE BEST WAY EVER OFFERED FOR INDEPENDENT ARTISTS TO EXCHANGE IDEAS AND TO DEVELOP UNDERGROUND ART SCENE. I THINK THAT THIS INTERVIEW IS THE PART OF THAT PROCESS, TO.
Any music that you find particularly inspiring?
FOR ME UNDERGROUND MUSICAL BANDS FROM MY HOME TOWN ARE VERY MUCH INSPIRING. "MULJ", "TEHNO MUDA", "RASPRLJENI JELEN", "MISHA MANGUP" , "FIMOZA COLIBRI" AND "AMBISS" ARE CREATORS OF EXPERIMENTAL MUSIC WHICH I OFTEN LISTEN TO WHILE I DRAW COMICS.
What is the strangest item you've ever received in the mail from a fan (or anyone else)?
THE STRANGEST ITEM I EVER RECIEVED FROM A FAN OF MINE IS FOR SURE A PIECE OF AMERICAN MILITARY PLANE "STELT" (SO CALLED "INVISIBLE") THAT WAS STRIKED DOWN DURING THE NATO BOMBING OF MY COUNTRY!
A message for Komix' readers...
MY DAUGHTER LOLA BEAT ME FOR AN AWARD IN "ANTI-NAZI" CONTEST IN SLOVENIA WHEN SHE WAS JUST 5 YEARS OLD! SINCE THEN I THINK THAT SO CALLED "AMATEURS" ARE WORTH OF OUR ATTENTION. MY FATHER STARTED TO DRAW COMICS AT THE AGE OF 65! SO, DEAR READERS OF "KOMIX" - I THINK THAT EVERYONE OF YOU SHOULD TRY TO DRAW A COMIC STORIES BY HIMSELF. I`M CURIOUS TO SEE THE RESULTS!
Claudio Parentela